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melit0n · 11 months ago
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EUCLID ANALYSIS.
Told you guys it was coming, didn't I? I apologise that this has taken a bit longer than expected, my mental health hit me like a bullet train, but I do hope it's sufficient.
Part one -> You're already here!
Part two -> Line by line analysis part 1
Part three -> Line by line analysis part 2
Part four -> Musical/intrumental notes
Part five -> The Night in Sleep Token
Part six -> Conclusion
Please note this is a general analysis. Although I do go into theories, both my own and others, this is just general thoughts. Also note when I speak of Vessel, I mean Vessel as a character, not the person, unless I specifically state so.
Tagline: @rilllvri @a-s-levynn @fivewholeminutes @euclidsvessel @tonguetyd @moonchild-in-blue @kkarmatic @branches-in-a-flood
+ Some people were worried about spam liking/reblogging the last time I did one of these big analysis posts, and I want to say please don't worry about that! I get happy when I see the same users pop up liking and reblogging my work, because it means you're interested in this enough to go through the whole thing. Feel completely free to add your own thoughts, correct any errors I've made etc. As per usual, my DMs are completely open to anybody wanting to discuss ST <3
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Let's start off with the basics. ‘Euclid’ is the anglicised version of the Greek name Eukleídes (Εὐκλείδης), mainly known via the ancient Greek mathematician Euclid of Alexandria, who is seen as the ‘father of geometry’, and most famous for his work on symmetry. Its general definition is something or someone who is renowned and or glorious (A) and the lesser known definition is something that is a copy of the same (B) (taken from Euclid’s ideas on symmetry), which we’ll come back to in a bit.
However, there is another Euclid in history that we’ll be referencing; Euclid of Megara. This Euclid, similar to our mathematician, was an ancient Greek Socratic (having been a pupil of Socrates) philosopher. I’ll be taking part of a text out of his Wikipedia article since his ideas have been explained thoroughly there.
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(we'll be coming back to him soon)
First off, this is an incredibly interesting choice of name for a song. Outside of someone's maths and philosophy class, this name doesn't exist to most, so the fact it's been chosen at all is intriguing.
Vessel has shown time and time again he enjoys sometimes elaborate references in his art, an example being chemistry and biology in TPWBYT (most notable would probably be ‘Telomeres’), so, I think it would be easy to say that, whether it be a reference to Euclid the Mathematician or Euclid the philosopher, that said reference is understood and intended by Vessel.
So, let's start with our mathematician, shall we?
What I find interesting about Euclid of Alexandria is that his life and existence outside of his work on geometry is almost completely unknown. There's almost nothing known of him, as a person, other than where he spent half of his career (Alexandria; Egypt, hence his title), where he may have studied (Platonic academy) and a general idea of when he lived (around 300BC). What is known about this insanely famous man who created the foundations of symmetry is incredibly barebones. People take Euclid at face value for his work, just like Vessel (both as an artist, and a character).
Further, we, as listeners, don't have much of an understanding of who Vessel is other than being a mouthpiece of a deity known as Sleep, someone once human now grasping at the threads of humanity and someone sharing some of his struggles in life (both with Sleep and unknown people). Like Euclid, he is barebones, we take him at face value; a vessel. He is both a mouthpiece for Sleep, a mouthpiece for his own emotions (obviously) and a mouthpiece for us. His experiences transcend being just his, due to his anonymity, therefore allowing us to connect and express our own experiences. It's music for the sake of music; expression.
Now, having talked through Euclid as a person, it's time to talk about Euclid and his symmetry. Symmetry in shapes is 'reflections, rotations, translations, and combinations of these basic operations. Under an isometric transformation, a geometric object is said to be symmetric if, after transformation, the object is indistinguishable from the object before the transformation- a copy of the same’. So, of course, this means shapes like squares, rectangles, parallelograms and circles. Circles are a representation of infinity, wholeness, unity and loops. What does Euclid do? Loop itself (starts and ends with B major, which also happens to be the same chord that TNDNBTG starts with), and loops the three albums together, musically and lyrically.
Now, onto Euclid of Megara.
Euclid was born in Megara, Athens and was a follower of Socrates (sneaking into Athens to hear him speak, and he was also present during his death). He is most known for his philosophy that good is the knowledge of simply being and that the opposite of good does not exist, aka evil. The Good is described to be a perfect, eternal, and changeless Form, existing outside space and time. A form of Heaven without a God.
This idea could be linked lore-wise with Sleep Token; Sleep could, in a way, be The Good literally. Bliss. Further, with the idea that there is no actual opposite of good, then how can anything be bad? How can Sleep, as a deity, have bad intentions if there is no actual evil?
So far, with these two notable figures in mind, we can perceive Euclid as one of two ways (and there are more ways to come). Euclid can be seen as quite literally being a form of symmetry; a parallel that Vessel lays his life on because it brings all of the produced albums, all of his stories, together. Or, we can think of Euclid as Vessel. This brings me to @euclidsvessel's post on their theory on Euclid; what if Euclid was Vessel’s name before he became a vessel?
The theory that Euclid could be Vessel’s old name is not only extremely insightful, but very plausible as well. They explained their points very well in their original post, and I don't want to repeat what they’ve already said, so I do implore you to go read that! It's not detrimental to needing to understand this post, but I highly recommend it. Despite this, I am here to both support their argument and bring my own comparison. Take a look at the cover art for Euclid:
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Let me repeat the lesser-known definition of Euclid; a copy of the same. A clone. A replacement. Held in the right hand is the decapitated head of Vessel's old (2nd gen.) mask. Specifically, the one that covers his mouth; the version that relinquishes the most amount of humanity. The album art is a representation of change portrayed in a symbolically gory way. Beheading, depending on the era you’re working from, symbolises both vengeance as well as a form of purification. By cutting off the head, you remove any ‘unholy’ thoughts. It's also among one of the most horrific and humiliating ways of killing someone (since it was typically done publicly, and sometimes the heads were placed on spikes of battlements as a warning).
Furthermore, there's a theory that's popped up a couple of times, lore-wise, that Vessel is not the first person to be turned into a vessel of Sleep, and he certainly won't be the last. So, considering the literal album art illustrates a replacement of Vessel, I’d say that theory is pretty much confirmed. In conclusion, the album art can either be interpreted as how Vessel will eventually be discarded and replaced by another vessel, or how Vessel himself will change, for better or for worse; clawing out of his own skin to become “someone new”.
So, to compare the idea of Euclid being Vessel’s old name, and to create the third perception of what or rather, who, Euclid is, what if Euclid will be the eventual replacement for Vessel?
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kiestrokes · 7 months ago
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Hello Kie! I see you watch many dramas. Do you have a list of ones that you would recommend?
hello anonie! this is going to be a short little list, going to give you my top five:
Celebrity
Little Women
Lovely Runner
The Glory
Twenty Five Twenty One
Others I adore in no particular order: Tale of the Nine Tailed, True Beauty (this webtoon is actually what got me into all things Korean), A Good Day to be a Dog, Doom At Your Service, Remarriage & Desires, Love Alarm, My Holo Love, Forecasting Love and Weather, Squid Game (it took me two years to finally watch this one due to the hype), Love Between Fairy and Devil, Cafe Minamdang, My Name (was almost #5 but I thought I'd give you a less twisty one that I truly love), The Good Bad Mother, Nevertheless (cliche af to recommend but that way this is filmed is just sooo good), Flower of Evil, Vincenzo, My Demon, Bloodhounds, Meteor Garden (the new one, it was the first drama I ever watched), Kiseki: Dear to Me, Love in the Air, KinnPorsche.
Me to Me: keep it short.
Also Me: but I love so many!
Edit: I put lovely runner where queen of tears used to be 😬
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theladyofshalott1989 · 2 months ago
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Days Twenty-Nine Through Thirty-Five of Figure Drawing
I still haven't missed any days yet. My Time Turner has certainly come in handy... 😜
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More exercises after the cut (🚩Warning - Butts!):
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uququ · 14 days ago
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cannot stop purchasing books called things along the lines of "the sheep industry of territorial new mexico"
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heejinsoulyves · 9 months ago
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This is really cheesy but sometimes it feels like a show comes your way just at the perfect time. I felt that way with Nevertheless, Start-Up, Twenty-Five Twenty-One, and Thirty-Nine. Now I feel it with Doctor Slump
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rivstyx · 1 year ago
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EXCELLENT NEWS, Y'ALL:
the original script of NATM 1 is now available on the NATM Search website!
there's a version in Courier, the standard screenplay font, and a version in OpenDyslexic for easier reading.
and just to prove that i didn't, like, invent this in a weird fever dream:
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the email
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the first two pages of the scan
i hope y'all enjoy this wild ride of a first draft! it really is like reading an alternate universe version of the movie we know
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goldyapper · 10 months ago
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Why is what is essential attack of the killer time zone so heartbreaking and so emotionally charged???
Big finish was cooking with this one
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wynnyfryd · 1 year ago
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made a joke about calling someone a cutie pie by typing it like qt3.14 then started typing as many digits of pi as i could remember from the time i memorized it for pi day in eighth grade and now i’m just looking at the first one hundred digits of pi on google and making up little raps to remember them as like, a fun autistic party trick? so basically what i’m saying to you is godDAMN i should have taken my add meds today and also my wips will be delayed tysm for your understanding in this trying time
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arctic-hands · 10 months ago
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I have joined the society of bluetooth earphones
#refurbished for the record#i have been dragged kicking and screaming into the future#my phone doesn't have a headphone jack. my mp3 player does but it also has bluetooth capability. my ereader only has bluetooth for audio#so I figure since I'm going on the eclipse trip in a few months I should get some wireless buds for the train#went with some used skullcandy sesh because they were like twenty-two dollars had had a twenty hour battery life#I ALMOST went with some used Hesh headphones that looked really cool and had fifteen hours but were also forty-nine dollars#which combined with the other things I needed to buy would have put me thirteen dollars over my seventy-five dollar walmart giftcard#I was very tempted if just for the aesthetique~ but realized if I bought the cheaper earbuds I could have enough money for some instax film#and the cheaper earbuds and 2 pack of film plus the household objects I needed put me at a tidy seventy-four dollars and fifty-six cents#so I didn't have to spend any actual money on anything woot woot#the earbuds are blue. which is my favorite color. but they're like a pastel blue. which is like my least favorite shade of blue#ah well I'll sacrifice looks for function and affordability any day#*stares in slight dismay at hideously pink refurbished and thirty dollar instax mini 9*#what I REALLY wanted was some of those urbanista solar-powered headphones/earbuds#but even used/refurbished both were out of the total price range of the gift card(s)#I actually had two giftcards which together totaled seventy-five so that was pretty sweet
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skopostheorie · 1 year ago
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i want you to imagine oscar and the count hanging out and the count is just zoned out and oscar stops talking and turns to him like ..you've been really quiet. what are you up to and the counts like huh? oh nothing i just was thinking ab⚡️⛈️⚡️⛈️⛈️⚡️⚡️
QWOERGTHJYURTEWHETARWEFAwDSEFRGDTIHYR
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firebirdsdaughter · 9 months ago
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Looking back at your Ask box…
… And realising you have Asks going back at least two years…
Which is a good thing bc I just accidentally found out someone blocked me that I think I only interacted w/ them all of once and I'm not sure why but I might know why and now I feel bad, and…
… Yeah. I'll. Uh. I'll go think about the Asks, maybe.
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july-19th-club · 9 months ago
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fuck my neck i will literally be sitting in a way that i sit every single day and then it will just hurt without warning . like what did i do turn my head a little too sharply for your liking? look across the room at the wrong angle? what do you want from me bastard
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pose4photoml · 1 year ago
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what's your top 10 k dramas?
Hi Anon~ Thank you for your ask❣️
Sorry this took me a bit to answer BUT I have a hard time picking just a few of anything 😉
So here’s a list in no particular order: a few of my k drama and c drama list!!
Move to Heaven
Meteor Garden
Cinderella with Four Knights
Extraordinary Attorney Woo
Twenty-Five -Twenty -One
Tomorrow
Tale of the Nine Tailed
More Than Friends
Hometown Cha-Cha-Cha
Business Proposal
Added Bonus ~ currently watching
Hidden Love
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strxnged · 10 months ago
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i wish it would rain
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mysticarcanum · 1 year ago
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genuinely fucked up that the tiebreak on taskmaster involved learning pi because now ive been given profoundly niche evidence that there is a practical application to memorizing pi, and now im filled with the urge to memorize another 10 digits and shoot for 60
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thebraxiatelcollection · 2 years ago
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I forgot how good The Diary Of River Song: Series 2 is. Five Twenty-Nine just remains one of my favourite stories they've produced.
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